Our world is organized in a way that we all have contacts. Therefore God creates the world in the same way: if I know something I should present it to develop further. There are five parcels in your hands, so you should give them away to get the sixth one. God cannot say: “Well, for everyone there is a Jesus Christ who came to give knowledge.” Do you understand that each of us can be more or less a teacher for this or that person? Parents are spiritual advisers for their children. Otherwise, we ourselves come one day and say: “God, I want to know it.” Thus, God sends us a person or a book by means of which we begin to perceive it all. Meanwhile giving us his knowledge the person is learning new information, getting new skills. That is the rule of the world.

- What do I want to understand? We create an organization or become chiefs. We should have a well-defined aim: “I want to become a head.” Why? What desire? If we think of power or gain it is a blind-alley. If our aim is development then…

M.: Our inner development is not a blind-alley yet. While one is developing he starts helping others to progress.

- …to draw up all the others.

M.: …yes, to draw up those who want to go after you. When you become a head there should be a spiritual adviser who is superior. Do you remember the scheme? You always work with a spiritual adviser. What is a company policy? It is your world view, the head's one. Thus, through you people - want it or not - unconsciously serve God while serving you, working in your company. Furthermore, your spiritual development signifies their quite visible progress in this field. They do not realize it. Later when they reach a certain level a meaningful interest in spiritual development arises in them. When I develop spiritually, become a chief I become either a spiritual personality or a degraded one.

As it occurred in the film “Classic”: “insobriety and depravity are two the most tiresome businesses”.

If I am fond of it what order can I have in my company? Undesirably people will go about the same things. Have you got it? Otherwise, I come and make my own rules, outspeak my aims. I ask people to follow my rules and they fulfill my aspirations by working in the company's information fields. They begin to change, their family relations as well as financial health improves.

A man comes to me. On the one hand I may say: “Why should I pay him such a great sum? I shall pay much less and take the rest of money.” What will the man think? Firstly in some time he will lose any desire to work. Secondly even working he will think what to eat and drink. Thirdly he will start thinking about something else, hatred will accumulate inside him… When I become a head I should think that my employee is not afraid of his financial position but is interested in work. That is why my task is to offer good wages, quite good wages. Thus, I stipulate a certain percent from the income gained by him for the company's interest. There are also lots of fine points. However, if you become a chief aiming at self-development and spiritual development of others you can become a prince of tycoons.

 

- Another question then. When I become a chief I start being responsible for the spiritual development of my subordinates. What is a Karmic bundle in that case?

M.: The matter of fact is that when you become a head you absorb up to twenty eight per cent of employees' negative and positive energy. So, you are concerned of their spiritual development as I have already told you because they are aware of… That is a way a supplement acts. I may say: ”Tomorrow everybody goes to the football or volleyball!” However, a person does not have any desire to go. I also may suggest that everybody should go to the church. Viewing my church-going my deputies will consequently admit that there is something useful in it.

Once I met a rather important person in Moscow. He was walking and quoting Jabu: “Krishna, Krishna, Krishna.” Having numerous chains and lots of other frills he got off his Cadillac praying on the string of beads. I got into a rap with him. He said that he never compelled anybody. The point is that on his example people realize the importance of spiritual practice for their financial health. They want to have more like him so copy his mode of life.

That is clear for me. Let's imagine that I want to create a firm that will bring maximum profit as we have already discussed. Maximum profit implies a steady increase of living standard, I mean physical not spiritual one, for my employees. However, it is a norm as everything is interdependent in the company. Inwardly I follow the policy directed at their spiritual development.

M.: They will develop spiritually. The fact is when I organize a company I outline its magnitude in other words certain revenue, definite profit. Consequently my substitutes will have a certain level of wages.

For example, you specialize in designing electronic devices. Not every person can work in your company and gain money. Only those people will work whose health position will be ready for it. An unconscious person will not come. I mark it as well as I order a new block in the information field where I write down the company's development program. Therefore people who cannot correspond these requirements leave the company.

Understandable. According to you cancer growth can be more informative than a person. What do you mean?

M.: The level of development.

How do you understand this term?

M.: The matter of fact is… Well, elsewise a highbrow. Simply saying a highbrow. Do not you believe me?

Yes, I can believe that…

M.: …that a disease can be compared with a person's level of development? Do you understand that a disease is also a hypostasis? There was no disease in times of Satya-Uga. In other words living creatures had such a high vibration level that no disease could progress. All the disease developed in the Kali-Uga period. (We can only have a cold pouring rain in autumn, in summer it is worm, in winter it is cold.) So diseases could progress in the period of Kali-Uga when there were living creatures with a certain level of development, progress in their consciousness, that kind of information fields.

When I speak about degradation I do not mean that a soul comes in this world and degrades, ruins. On the contrary we always develop. The problem is that our development level is lower than the noted one (there is a development top when I understand that I am a soul and I look to God). That is why everything that is lower is called degradation i.e. lower development. Thus, if living creatures come in this world with such a level of development diseases begin to progress. These are the same hypostases executing the same functions. Oncology appears when the creature's aggression surpasses permissible level. Then a command is sent to eliminate the source of aggression – a human-being, to stop, to switch off the aggression. Have you got it? How can I switch it off? Either a person changes his consciousness, stops being aggressive or they close him, destroy, kill this body (he leaves this body and later gets a new one).

If innocent cell converts to malignant swelling so I can wipe this origin out only in one state: if I am a higher hypostasis in development. That's why oncology, especially of the fourth-degree, has much higher level of development, informativeness or intellect. Understandable ?

- Do you mean a higher level of development in comparison with a sick person or a healthy one?

M.: No, that is a person in body of whom it lives.

- Actually we say that coming here into this world he doesn't fall down, he always goes up, no matter how he lived...Well there is a soul, there is an ego, there is a covering.

M.: Now I will try to explain to you. The thing is there is no notion of falling in the Universe in general. The soul itself doesn't fall – it is in the cocoon and it is moving like a fish: rowing here and there. Nothing changed on the level of Universe, it doesn't degrade. It is possible to do very interesting things. It is possible to use this knowledge in other spheres, for example in business espionage, in creating different kinds of eavesdropping devices that is exaggerated by our technologies and that is absurd to set eavesdropping devices, to risk life, to come and set somwhere...It is much easier being at this place to look at any information independent from its location.

- But those who can do this don't actually need this?

M.: Those who can do this don't need this. I always say that when you for example start dealing with this you start using these opportunuties. You can go in future to look and you can go into the past. I don't remember exactly when, may be in 1990, I looked at the planet's state in future, nearly in 2050. It is worth saying that for example in comparison with the year of 2000 the energy performance will be clear enough to deal with treatments or something else.

- A.C. Well, that is quite understandable to look at the past. The future is realization of programms of the present, that is not approved for all 100%.

- A.C.: But practically, as nowadays people are so inactive that there are 0,015 of those who know that a new programm began developing. Well, for example a man whom I consulted (a minister), I told him 2 years before that on the 2d August he would get the parliamentary seat. 1,5 year before I told one Mr. N that crisis would happen. Or I told a woman that on the 15 th of such month she would fall a child of such a gender. And all this though there is 20% of choice but people are so... So the life is going, he is kicking over the traces, he is creating...

- And that is 20% of resistance.

M.: Yes..., he can change it. But nobody does it... He says: “Yes, it is so”. Or he goes to his work . Ask him why . There is no sense, no way out, he doesn't see his future.

- Anatoly Sergeevich, in that case it appears to be so. Let's take for example Nostradamus. He saw the future in the informational fields, but he saw the realization of the programms that had already been put in on the Earth or he introduced something himself...

M.: Yes, this is a sense of one and the same. The thing is that everything on the planet will happen as it was put in in time. There is no difference who will execute a programm. The matter is that it was impossible in the world on the level of Nostradamus to create something that would contradict the programm of time. Do you remember that the book about Titanic (about ship) was first written and then in some period of time the same ship was built, with the same title, with the same draught, with the same number of passangers and it settles down in the same way as it was in the book. The fact is in order to get the information in the book the writers connect to the informational field though they say that it was afflatus or something like that. Of course not, this is an informational library of the planet, where is the information concerning what must develope. He entered this library , wrote a book and says that it was afflatus...That is not the source.

- And what about fantastic stories?

M .: The same .

- That means it is actually impossible to think something up? All inventions , all books ...

M.: The thing is it is impossible to think something up. The thing that you thought up already exists and this programm begins unwrapping. But the fact is that you connect to the informational field... All events that take place in the world have such a state as cyclicality, i.e. 4 epochs of time.

The stage and the epoch are defined by some their definite parameters and those things that take place at this epoch are predefined. The soul – living-being- comes with its programm of development and experience-gaining and it just occupies the definite box, i.e. in some definite situations it can get the experience. That ' s all ... What am I doing ? I do what is predesignated for me. You do what is predesignated for you, what you came with. Understandable ? Ruining also takes place at the same seminar . But what is here and what is there are different things. All of you get yours. That means you came into this world , you must realize it.

- Is it determined by the law? Is that not personal ?

M.: By law. This is a law.

- How does it unwrap ?

M.: Souls having some definite state come through their thin body. They must come through. But it is possible to come through like to have a wash in the bath-house and to swelter only by the definite temperature, so they can also get this experience only in definite situations. In this way the programm is created. The thing is if tomorrow all the people are taken away from the Earth the other living-being having the other development level won't be able to come there. The same people with the same development level will come again. And all events going on in the world will anyway take place. There is nothing to do with this.

- That means there won't be the Flood? No destructions ?

M.: No.

- So is everything counsciously preprogrammed?

M.: Yes.

- Just in these situations the soul must develope...

- Yes, it must realize some moments, change its conscious...

-Well, in principle I supposed almost the same.

M.: In fact every living-being has the right of choice as well as to live and perhaps to change the programm of life for 20% and to start dealing with the spiritual practice. A woman came to me. She listened to me for a long time and said: “I deal with the spiritual practice. But I am so tired of it. Let me get off ”. She likes it but ... Then she deals with again ... And in life ... Well, today a business-lady has come to me. I tell her : “ Treat as I do ”. The things that we create show up . So let's create purposefully, let's come consciously on the other level. We cannot get anything on this level of development. In order to have some result we must change ourselves and come to this level.

- As I understand on our level of development we get only what we can. If we want to change something we must change ourselves. Is that so?

M.: Yes, in order to get more we must change ourselves.

- So it turns out that if a person gets physically more so he becomes spiritually higher.

M.: Yes, as the material always has the form of the past and this is the consequence. The reason lies in some other things: in plans, appetences or something else. That ' s why I ask today – a company ? You must decide what you want . Define the goal . I want this . Write concretely on the piece of paper . Well, a person came to the store, he is asked: “What do you definitely want?” Do you want profit ? How much ? 5-10 rubles , 10-15 thousand rubles ? They say : “ Well , is it also possible ?” The profit can consist of one kopec. Or for example I hold diagnostics of a general store in Gurjevsk, their profitability is 0,1. Is this good? And why not to put 10% into the profitability? “ Too much ”.

- But there is a chance that putting the profitability programm of 10% into the company, they will lose it.

M.: They will lose this one. But the company will be different.

- And won't it happen so that the company will change the leadership that will fit the 10% profitability.

M.: Theoretically it must be so. For example the leader says: “I need a company with such a profitability.” And I answer him: “With your consciousness you can have only this. And if you want your company to be profitable we must change ourselves.” That's why the company's programm changes, we must have the other conscious. You must have only this in your consciousness. And in order to have the other profitability we must change ourselves. That's why the company realizes the programm. We start thinking in a different way.